My Intro...(EDIT: Now a discussion about beliefs it seems.)

[Guitar_clock]

-What he said.

[Seraph]

other sources? waht other sources are there other than my mind? if i hear something and accept it, i do so with my mind. i am not programmed. i don't just go around stealing oppinions. that's not even possible except by the lowest of scum who use popular oppinion to gain respect even if they have no clue of what they are talking about. and once again, tell me some top secret information that you know that will change my life and turn me into an atheist with no regard for others and want only pleasure for myself. and don't go there with "god doesn't exist" crap, that is not a fact.

[Guitar_clock]

Seraph you confuse me. You say you do good not so that you end up some place wonderful in the end and that you only do it because you feel like you have to.

You want to be a nice person
You wanna do the right thing
You're doing it with no motivation at all...

And are insecure.

If you're going to be mister nice guy why don't you do it for a reason¿ It seems like you're just forcing this mister nice guy bullshit on us as if we're gonna turn into your clone. You gotta understand this world is not gonna change just for you, and it doesn't revolve around you.

I am nice because that is how others want to be treated. I dont go boasting to people that I'm nice/mature because that's their judgement to make. I'm not going to change that by just saying it.

You really need to get your priorities together seraph. I mean really lighten up.

[Seraph]

hey, i'm not boasting. i am nice because i want to be. well, i'm not sure about nice. i am forgiving, more so than most people. i try to help people. but i am also fairly cold...hard to explain. very polite...but maybe not nice, exactly. i don't expect the world to change. if everyone was like me, then what would make me extraordinary? no, i just want my oppinion to be known, and i will defend my oppinion if it is attacked. i try not to boast, i really do. but i feel the need to prove that i am indeed not just an emo child whining about unfair life and thinking that sex is "icky". trust me, i am not like that.

[Spaced Ape]

-What he said.

And more:

There is no "top secret information." It's called logical thinking and you use it to answer very meager things in life, but when applied to such things like religion it fails, thus religion fails. Why? Because religion relies on faith, which is something logic cannot beat because it's while logic is complex thinking, faith is simple. Simplicity wins most battles. But because it wins doesn't mean it's right. It's as simple as believing dinosaurs lived during the same era as man in just the time of about 6000 years ago, while logicaly we have proof that such a belief is impossible. But even if we have proof you can still believe (haev faith) that it is true. So you win in the ability to keep your opinion, but you lose in the fact that logicaly and scientificaly you are wrong.

Now like in what Guitar said, I don't need an invisible man in the sky to make me fear into doing right. I do it because it is (usually) productive, helpful, and (once again like guitar said) because it is how I wish to be treated in return.

"turn me into an atheist with no regard for others and want only pleasure for myself."

You say this like you know me. I can tell you right now that I do not act the same online than I do in real life. I use the internet for two things: Keeping me from being bored, and as a place where I am freely able to place my thoughts, opinions, and rants. You are able to do so freely also, but just like my opinion, people are able to fight against them in oder to either change my mind or get me to shut up. I do have much regard for others; it's just that while online I don't really give a shit about most anyone.

"pleasure for myself"

This proves your fear of anything sexual. You think sex will invade your mind once you have it, even a taste, and then you won't be able to control yourself. Well here's a little info from a person who has had it to a person who hasn't. Sex is not even close to as good as people make it out to be. The only reason most people have it is because of their instinct. That's why people search for it. I don't have a girlfriend just for sex, I have her because I enjoy having a best friend that I can share myself (my personality and lifestyle) with.

So until you grow up and understand all of that, than like we've been saying for the past couple of months:

Shut the fuck up.

[Guitar_clock]

He just got served

I hope to god seraph doesnt make a post longer than that one... I even read it too. Awesome job darklire

[Seraph]

no. i'm sorry, but i'm going to have to say that you are wrong. I am the one who said not to be nice for rewards. i could go into a rant on the probability of existance being the way it is, but i won't becuase i'll get a useless reply like "stfu nublet lolol" and i'm not insecure. i am steadfast with my decision. sex will not be for my pleasure, but to have my child and to be a gift to my wife. the only thing i can give her to make up for the fact that she will have to deal with the pain of childbirth would be my virginity, my love completely to her, not to her and suzy from history class. other than a ring and tax returns, what can i offer?

[Guitar_clock]

no. i'm sorry, but i'm going to have to say that you are wrong. I am the one who said not to be nice for rewards.

Why the hell do you want to be nice then¿ To suffer until death¿ Where the hell is your motivation¿

sex will not be for my pleasure, but to have my child and to be a gift to my wife.

[Seraph]

why do i want to be nice? because it is polite, and i want to show respect to others. golden rule, you know? and yes yes, i'm a masetr of comedy....

[Guitar_clock]

why do i want to be nice? because it is polite, and i want to show respect to others. golden rule, you know?

AHA! SO THERE IS MOTIVATION! You want to be treated the same way as you treat others! We're FINALLY getting somewhere

and yes yes, i'm a masetr of comedy....

[Seraph]

well, it's not so much that i want a reward. i just know that i would feel really bad if i was treated bad, and i don';t want anyone to be subjected to that, except those who really deserve it like murderers or animal abusers and rapists and stuff

[Guitar_clock]

well, it's not so much that i want a reward. i just know that i would feel really bad if i was treated bad, and i don';t want anyone to be subjected to that, except those who really deserve it like murderers or animal abusers and rapists and stuff

ah ah ah... What ever happened to eternal forgiveness. Unconditional love.

[Seraph]

there is a limit, i'm only human. unconditional love for my wife. not random criminals

[Guitar_clock]

Love your wife and fuck any other human being that doesn't fit your standards.

That's picky.

[Seraph]

uh...no? i'm nice to anyone. but i give unconditional love to my wife.

[Guitar_clock]

Ah. I get it. But you can still harness hatred for "random criminals"

Still picky

[Seraph]

hey, depends on the crime...if it's stealing or drugs i really don't care. if it's murder or rape or something serious, then yeah i hate them. and for pretty good reason.

[Guitar_clock]

hey, depends on the crime...if it's stealing or drugs i really don't care. if it's murder or rape or something serious, then yeah i hate them. and for pretty good reason.

Would you ever act on that pure loathe for another person given the right circumstances¿

[Seraph]

um, if there was someone who tortuered and killed people for absolutely no reason, just to be malicious? and he was tied up and i had a gun? i'd probably shoot him. i might not.

[Guitar_clock]

um, if there was someone who tortuered and killed people for absolutely no reason, just to be malicious? and he was tied up and i had a gun? i'd probably shoot him. i might not.

Cold blooded murder.

my my, seraph has a dark side.

[Syn]

His (Seraph) motivation is religion obviously.
He's still credulous, and I'm telling you all that you can not change his mind.
You have to allow him to experience things for himself, then he will change.
Otherwise, he's self-righteous and because of that motivational stand, he'll tell others of their own faults because he knows what he's standing for. As if everything he does, and how he thinks, is in the right and nothing can be at fault for him choosing to think as he does. Very arrogant really. Very much so. So.. yeah.

Even he will admit to faults, for he is human, obviously.. but still just the typical kid. We all have 'dark' sides, kid. Silly.

[Seraph]

yeah. i'm not hiding it. i'd pop him a few. the guy deserves it for killing people. just smoke him one in the face with my 1.0 calibur revolver...i would call it the "anaphoricus abaddon", if i got the translation right...or i'd make it a cooler name. i just made that one up on the spot

[Guitar_clock]

Wouldn't you just be lowing yourself to his level.

[Viléém]

he is selfrighteous and that's the reason for his forum name, and the thought of changing his real name
subconsciously he feels it's his duty to make things right and avenge the torture by killing the criminal
he can honestly deny all this, because it's all subconscious >.>

[Guitar_clock]

he is selfrighteous and that's the reason for his forum name, and the thought of changing his real name
subconsciously he feels it's his duty to make things right and avenge the torture by killing the criminal
he can honestly deny all this, because it's all subconscious >.>

Ponderous, effin ponderous!!!