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Metaphysical Dose of the Day: The Egg

Postby Guitar_clock » Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:16 am

You were on your way home when you died.

It was a car accident. Nothing particularly remarkable, but fatal nonetheless. You left behind a wife and two children. It was a painless death. The EMTs tried their best to save you, but to no avail. Your body was so utterly shattered you were better off. Trust me.

And that’s when you met me.

“What… what happened?” You asked. “Where am I?”

“You died,” I said, matter-of-factly. No point mincing words.

“There was a…a truck and it was skidding…”

“Yup.” I said.

“I… I died?”

“Yup. But don’t feel bad about it. Everyone dies.” I said.

You looked around. There was nothingness. Just you and me. “What is this place?” You asked.

“Is this the afterlife?”

“More or less,” I said.

Are you god?” You asked.

“Yup.” I replied. “I’m God.”

“My kids… my wife,” you said. “What about them? Will they be alright?”

“That what I like to see,” I said. “You just died and your main concern is for your family. That’s good stuff right there.”

You looked at me with fascination. To you, I didn’t look like God. I just looked like some man. Some vague authority figure. More of a grammar school teacher then the almighty.

“Don’t worry,” I said. “They’ll be fine. Your kids will remember you as perfect in every way.

They didn’t have time to grow contempt for you. Your wife will cry on the outside, but will be secretly relieved. To be fair, your marriage was falling apart. If it’s any consolation she’ll feel very guilty for feeling relieved.”

“Oh,” you said. “So what happens now? Do I go to heaven or hell or something?”

“Neither,” I said. “You’ll be reincarnated.”

“Ah, so the Hindus were right.”

“All the religions are right in their own way,” I said. “Walk with me.” You followed along as we strolled in the void.

“Where are we going?”

“Nowhere in particular,” I said. “It’s just nice to walk while we talk.”

“So whats the point, then?” You asked. “When I get reborn, I’ll just be a blank slate right? A baby. So all my experiences and everything I did in this life won’t matter.”

“Not so!” I said. “You have within you all the knowledge and experiences of all your past lives. You just don’t remember them right now.”

I stopped walking and took you by the shoulders. “Your soul is more magnificent, beautiful, and gigantic then you can possibly imagine. A human mind can only contain a tiny fraction of what you are. It’s like sticking your finger in a glass of water to see if it’s hot or cold. You put a tiny part or yourself into the vessel, and when you bring it back out, you’ve gained all the experiences it had.

“You’ve been a human for the last 34 years, so you haven’t stretched out yet and felt the rest of you immense consciousness. If we hung out here for longer, you’d start remembering everything. But there’s no point doing that between each life.”

“How many times have I been reincarnated, then?”

“Oh lots. Lots and lots. And into lots of different lives.” I said. “This time around you’ll be a Chinese peasant girl in 540 A.D.”

“Wait, what?” You stammered. “You’re sending me back in time?”

“Well, I guess technically. Time, as you know it, only exists in your universe. Things are different where I come from.”

“Where you come from?” You pondered.

“Oh sure!” I explained. “I come from somewhere. Somewhere else. And there’s others like me. I know you’ll want to know what it’s like there but you honestly wont understand.”

“Oh.” you said, a little let down. “But wait. If I get reincarnated to other places in time, could I have interacted with myself at some point?”

“Sure. Happens all the time. And with both lives only aware of their own time span you don’t even know it’s happening.”

“So what’s the point of it all?”

“Seriously?” I asked. “Seriously? You’re asking me for the meaning of life? Isn’t that a little stereotypical?”

“Well it’s a reasonable question.” you persisted.

I looked in your eyes. “The meaning of life, the reason I made this whole universe, is for you to mature.”

“You mean mankind? You want us to mature?”

“No. Just you. I made this whole universe for you. With each new life you grow and mature, and become a larger and greater intellect.”

“Just me? What about everyone else?”

“There is no one else,” I said. “In this universe, there’s just you. And me.”

You stared blankly at me. “But all the people on earth…”

“All you. Different incarnations of you.”

“Wait. I’m everyone!?”

“Now you're getting it.” I said, with a congratulatory slap on the back.

“I’m every human who ever lived?”

“Or who will ever live, yes.”

“I’m Abraham Lincoln?”

“And you’re John Wilkes Booth, too.” I added.

“I’m Hitler?” you said, appalled.

“And you’re the millions he killed.”

“I’m Jesus?”

“And you’re everyone who followed him.”

You fell silent.

“Every time you victimized someone,” I said, “You were victimizing yourself. Every act of kindness you’ve done, you’ve done to yourself. Every happy and sad moment ever experienced by any human was, or will be, experienced by you.”

“Why?” You asked me. “Why do all this?”

“Because someday, you will become like me. Because that’s what you are. You’re one of my kind. You’re my child.”

“Whoa.” you said, incredulous. “You mean I’m a god?”

“No. Not yet. You’re a fetus. You’re still growing. Once you’ve lived every human life throughout all time, you will have grown enough to be born.”

“So the whole universe,” you said. “It’s just…”

“An egg of sorts.” I answered. “Now it’s time for you to move on to your next life.”

And I sent you on your way.

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"The Egg" by Jack Sharp. Thoughts?

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Postby HeRetiK » Mon Jul 19, 2010 11:24 am

Saw it on Digg the other day, I'm very much in love with the idea of this story. It opens a whole new perspective on how to see your fellow men, humanity as a whole and our conception of time.

Also, here's more of the author's work, in case you haven't come across it yet:

http://www.galactanet.com/writing.html

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Postby Voly » Mon Jul 19, 2010 12:54 pm

That is awesome.
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Postby Zyn » Mon Jul 19, 2010 5:26 pm

Coo' man. That's a beautiful take on reality. More people should read this.
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Postby Spaced Ape » Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:33 pm

Sure, it's happy.
Sure, it's feely.

But you take nothing from it that you do any other kind of "we are all one" scenario a person may dream up. It means little in the vast scale of humanity or this universe. Its a pretty picture, but you learn nothing from it.
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Postby HeRetiK » Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:12 pm

I think that the concept of learning from lifespan to lifespan is something that can be seen as an important aspect of humanity as a whole.

The idea is progress, reaching for a "perfect", godlike existence. We all have to learn from the mistakes of past generations if we want for humanity to evolve into something better than it is today. History repeats itself way to often, but if future generations learn even a little bit of the legacy that is handed down to them, maybe humanity can one day become something of importance - even in the vast scale of this universe.

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Postby Chichevache » Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:44 pm

It was an interesting short story. Not too bad. But I have to say it truly offended me. Anarch and I are so not the same.

Unless I'm not human...
I can't decide which one of us will leave here alive
Your fingers breaking as I place them over mine
The only thing I need is time
To change your mind, I said

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Postby Voly » Mon Jul 19, 2010 11:57 pm

"Current you" and "Anarch you" are not the same. But "you" as a whole is the same. Or at least, insofar as this story is concerned.
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Postby Chichevache » Tue Jul 20, 2010 12:50 am

Yea, I can read. I was trying to be mildly humorous and start a fight.
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Postby Azgarth » Tue Jul 20, 2010 12:55 am

first time i had time to read it. made time to read it.
liked it, it's a good platform to start some thought experiments from.

Sure, it's happy.
Sure, it's feely.

happy? for me this would be the penultimate horror, only being trumped by everlasting nothingness while being conscious.
there is far more suffering in the world than there is happiness, both in quantity and in quality. and that's just humans, if you'd add animal lives into the mix, it'd only get worse.

for something like this to work, there'd have to be be a functional way to be reborn with different personalities though, some traits are mutually exclusive, can't be present in the same person. of course, that'd be easily explained away by saying each life is only a fragment of the whole, but why would this god, or anyone else, care to explain to a fragment, knowing that fragment will vanish, only a single grain of sand in a whole sandcastle?
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Postby Chichevache » Tue Jul 20, 2010 2:58 am

I think you misunderstood it. They're all part of the same creature. And all the good the bad, the suffering the pleasure, all of it is an integral part of it's development as a being.

I think you're taking this way too literally. But if I feel like it later I can address each and every one of your issues.
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Postby Voly » Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:17 am

Chichevache wrote:start a fight.


with a stranger. Start a fight, and lose.
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Postby Elen Sila » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:54 am

God damn it. I thought of that exact same idea several months ago. Why is it that every time I come up with a bold, original, new idea for a story twist or setting or whatever, I find out later that someone else has already fucking done it?!
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Postby Chichevache » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:06 am

Because every story has been done a million times. Instead of trying to be different maybe you should try being good at telling it?
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Postby Azgarth » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:10 am

I think you misunderstood it. They're all part of the same creature. And all the good the bad, the suffering the pleasure, all of it is an integral part of it's development as a being.

yes, of course. how does that go against what i said?

either they're all major and individual parts, in which case this godchild has a severe MPD/DID, and could only be called a being in the same was a city is. one semi-coherent community.

or they're all just parts of him in the same way mud is made out of lots of little bits of sand and water. if so, those parts all lose their oneness in the forming of the whole. if they did that, there would be no use for the godparent to talk to the part. it'd all be absorbed in the whole, the individual things lost.


this whole thing is also troubled by the whole time thing, if his lives are his own then that means they can't be present until he's there. meaning it'd be very tough to start, what with the first one being all alone. either that or time gets changed again every single time he gets back. that would make all his experiences but his last one false, since they changed completely by the time he had newer ones.

if they're all there already, that means this whole thing is on rails. that's not developing a personality, that's following a track from A to B.
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Postby evilredqueen » Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:41 pm

Chichevache wrote:It was an interesting short story. Not too bad. But I have to say it truly offended me. Anarch and I are so not the same.


We are all different yet at the same time we are all alike.

unless you are not human

My whole problem with reincarnation is that if you can't remember former lives there is no way to advance.

I liked the story ...

Darky did it not at least give you things to think about?
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Postby Zyn » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:20 pm

@ Az: You are putting way too much into the concept of time. Time is relative. All of the lives, including the ones he had not yet lived, existed simultaneously. He was every person he met, but he had not necessarily played that part yet. I could explain this based on quantum theory if you'd like a more intimate description.

@ERQ: In the story, the narrator specifically says that tiny pieces of his past lives stick with him like when one puts their finger in water. Those droplets, one can assume, accumulate over time. And after he reaches a stage of enlightenment, all of the past will be part of his mind at once, like with the narrator and the rest of his kind.
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Postby evilredqueen » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:33 pm

Yes I caught than Zyn. I was speaking about religions today that believe in reincarnation. I guess I should have stated that.

What good would it do this guy if all the water drops come together when he is living a life in the stone age? :)
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Postby Azgarth » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:45 pm

zyn, do tell. i never gave that enough attention, for some reason. i think it's quite fascinating.
if all those lives are there, influencing his then 'current' self, even if he hasn't lived them yet, then that would mean his path is fixed. he will have to do what the influencing person does in his current life, or he would render his current life meaningless the moment he enters that new person.
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Postby Zyn » Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:22 am

@ERQ: That clarifies, yes.

@Az: Not necessarily fixed. Uhm...this is easier explained in person, but I shall try in text.

Viewing this story as if his life spans were consecutive, then yes, he would have no choice in the outcome. However, what if each of his lives were happening at the same time, from all the viewpoints of the people at once? Ex: you are reading this while I am currently doing something else.
Why would that work? Because time is nothing more than our conscious belief that there is a continuous movement to the world. Our universe includes a concept of time, but "time" is nothing more than a collection of arrangements of atoms that proceed one another. Theoretically, the ever-elusive "time travel" that everyone speaks of would merely be revisiting a certain arrangement of atoms and allowing the world to play out from there.
Now, how can all of his lives exist at once?
Our universe is based upon three dimensions: length, width and depth. However, various other dimensions intersect our own. We cannot see, hear, smell, ect, or interact in any way with these dimensions because they are either too simple or too complex to affect/be affected by us. (if a 2-D object appeared in front of us, we wouldn't be able to see it because it would only have length and width. Its plane would be flat, ours spacious. Because of this, no matter which way we look at it, there would be no third dimension of depth and it would be imperceptible. On the flipside, an object with the fourth dimension of, say, pan-dimensionality would exist in such a way that our mind simply cannot understand and our bodies are not designed to interact with.)
Thus, we cannot see through the timestream. We simply do not have the physical apparatus or mental ability to do so. For us, a moment that we are not currently perceiving is either the past or the future. However, if there were a creature created who had a FOURTH dimension, one that could walk easily through those freeze-frame arrangements of atoms at will, could return to a point that happened long ago...say a girl from the 500s.
Now, this is where the theory come into play. When something that was not originally in a section of the timeline appears there, the future is essentially erased and rewritten to include this new equation. Does this mean that he did not go back in time in the first place, since that future no longer exists?? Well, if you go through a door, does the inside of the house cease to exist? No. But, in this case, the door is slammed rather harshly closed after his passing.
While he is living this run through history, all of previous times he had done it are existing in the same history. All of the future lives are doing the same, and are writing history as they go. Why? Well let's say that the timetraveling creature goes back in time and tells itself "Don't leave this house, you can't go back in!" Now, he will never have left that house in the first place, but only if the creature from the future interacts with him. As such, a paradox is created that simply states the creature had to return from the future in the first place to stop himself from leaving the house.

In layman's terms, all things must exist at once that will ever exist, or nothing will exist.
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Postby evilredqueen » Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:24 am

Witten's M theory allows for eleven parallel universes. Theory also says that for every choice we make and infinite number of choices are made and played out in a different reality. you come to a corner and decide to turn left... now that course is set only to be changed by any other choices you make in life.. In the other reality you turned right . Now there is another line of millions , who knows, of choices that will be made. Each choice starts a another new line of infinite possibilites.

The numbers and possiblities become mind boggling but there is the math to back it up. Would God create a universe where the numbers didn't work? No. :)

Is there any mathematical truth to the story above?
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Postby Zyn » Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:46 am

I'm sure, though I won't be the one to hunt it down. 'Course, if you like, we could argue quantum theory til the world ends and there's no use for it anymore.
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Postby evilredqueen » Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:22 am

Or we solve it. :)

I think we would have an easier time agreeing on what God's name really is.
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Postby Voly » Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:47 am

His name is Charles.
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Postby ƒrosty » Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:15 am

I can believe it.

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